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    (庆祝国服一周年）g4ou Powerless Rise 伪rmt

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    • wyc2333
      wyc2333 最后由 wyc2333 编辑

      寄蜉蝣于天地，渺沧海之一粟。

      小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
      If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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      • wyc2333
        wyc2333 最后由 wyc2333 编辑

        组（改）队思路
        最早的时候从哪里抄来的，已经忘了，大概是roa房间的样板队伍吧https://pastebin.com/T5KandcA。
        今天一看，不仅多了不少队伍，而且这个队伍的配置也改掉了

        Azelf @ Choice Band  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 144 Atk / 112 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- U-turn  
- Trick  
- Zen Headbutt  
- Explosion  

Heatran @ Shuca Berry  
Ability: Flash Fire  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Naive Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- Fire Blast  
- Earth Power  
- will-o-wisp/Explosion  

Flygon (M) @ Choice Scarf  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- U-turn  
- Earthquake  
- Stone Edge  
- Outrage  

Suicune @ Leftovers  
Ability: Pressure  
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA  
- Calm Mind  
- Hidden Power [Electric]  
- Ice Beam/substitute
- Hydro Pump  

Breloom (F) @ Toxic Orb  
Ability: Poison Heal  
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Spore  
- Substitute  
- Seed Bomb  
- Focus Punch  

Jirachi @ Leftovers  
Ability: Serene Grace  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 SpD  
- Calm Mind  
- Hidden Power [Ground]  
- Thunderbolt  
- Psychic

        最早抄来的版本是火钢鬼火，水君冰光。
        后来打了不少次发现鬼火基本没点过，换成了大爆炸，确实在dpp ou global championship第三轮中点了一次
        https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-783205683
        水君冰光换成替身，想在dpp ou global championship第二轮中针对电磁波电鬼，然而对面居然先点十万伏特再点电磁波orz
        https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-773725597
        队伍首发可以换成火钢，针对泛滥的首发许愿星
        https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-789444866

        小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
        If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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        • wyc2333
          wyc2333 最后由 wyc2333 编辑

          队伍分析

          Azelf @ Choice Band  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 144 Atk / 112 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- U-turn  
- Trick  
- Zen Headbutt  
- Explosion

          一般首发无脑ut，重创班吉拉。
          遇到怪力点失恋头槌，但从wcop的首发来看https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/world-cup-of-pok%C3%A9mon-xiii-usage-stats.3638607/，首发怪力少得可怜。这队伍拿首发电鸟和快龙也没有什么好办法，请用本技能对攻。对上首发尼多后可以先点本技能，然后双换；当然也可以直接换人，毕竟对面拉上班吉拉追击就很伤
          cb大爆炸威力惊人
          戏法基本不点，想换orz

          Heatran @ Shuca Berry  
Ability: Flash Fire  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Naive Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- Fire Blast  
- Earth Power  
- Explosion

          由于本队很虚火猴，遇上后点大地力反读一波；读对面火钢出钉的时候也可以点。抗地果会有不少惊喜，比如吃同类大地力，蜡笔大地力，superachi觉地，玫瑰觉地等等
          大爆炸兑子神技，尤其是炸死大蛋给本队两个冥想手开路

          Flygon (M) @ Choice Scarf  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- U-turn  
- Earthquake  
- Stone Edge  
- Outrage

          逆鳞救场龙舞龙王
          石刃补刀鲤鱼，电鸟，化肥，龙舞快龙
          scouter和revenge killer，但是ut与否，一着不慎，满盘皆输

          Suicune @ Leftovers  
Ability: Pressure  
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA  
- Calm Mind  
- Hidden Power [Electric]  
- Ice Beam  
- Hydro Pump

          很喜欢高冷的水君呀！！！

          Breloom (F) @ Toxic Orb  
Ability: Poison Heal  
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Spore  
- Substitute  
- Seed Bomb  
- Focus Punch

          这只精灵的操作远没有替身后无脑气合拳那么简单
          催眠到对面natural cure特性的精灵后，记得读对面换人再催眠一次。可以先手催眠常规cb螳螂，钢钟和巨沼等
          遇到对面先手ut的时候，有血量的话记得再点一次替身
          读对面电鸟羽栖可以气合拳，同理波克基斯和钢鸟羽栖，但对面耿直攻过来的风险也挺大
          在催眠条款有效后，对面大蛋可能读替身或气合拳点攻招，请先种子爆弹试探

          Jirachi @ Leftovers  
Ability: Serene Grace  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 SpD  
- Calm Mind  
- Hidden Power [Ground]  
- Thunderbolt  
- Psychic

          wcop使用率第一的精灵。超强打击面，但碰上耐久班吉拉，雪拉比，大蛋很容易吃瘪。可以尝试与受海星以及受电鸟等对攻，受向电鬼可以作为强化起点，遇到本队怕的火猴请反读觉地或精干，遇到耿鬼请对攻。最近看别人用superachi强行突破大蛋，或许一些高端操作我还没意识到
          觉地能阴走一些火钢和磁铁
          读钢鸟吹飞请点十万伏特

          小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
          If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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          • wyc2333
            wyc2333 最后由 编辑

            伤害计算
            计算器里面自带的配置其实都有些过气，有空俺导入最近一些常见的配置
            144 Atk Choice Band Azelf U-turn vs. 180 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 190-224 (49.2 - 58%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
            144 Atk Choice Band Azelf U-turn vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Starmie: 174-206 (53.7 - 63.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            有些时候需要与海星对攻
            144 Atk Choice Band Azelf Zen Headbutt vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Zapdos: 202-238 (52.7 - 62.1%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252 SpA Jirachi Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 4- SpD Shuca Berry Heatran: 136-160 (42.1 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
            252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4- SpD Shuca Berry Heatran: 208-246 (64.3 - 76.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
            252 SpA Rotom-Wash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4- SpD Heatran: 238-282 (73.6 - 87.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
            252 Atk Flygon U-turn vs. 252 HP / 220+ Def Celebi: 188-224 (46.5 - 55.4%) -- 10.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            本队两位特攻手的叹息之墙，只能靠蓝蘑菇和蜻蜓龙ut配合岩钉磨血
            252 Atk Flygon U-turn vs. 252 HP / 200+ Def Starmie: 108-128 (33.3 - 39.5%) -- 16.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252 Atk Flygon Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 228+ Def Zapdos: 148-176 (38.6 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252 Atk Flygon Outrage vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 297-349 (41.5 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252 SpA Suicune Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jirachi: 153-180 (44.8 - 52.7%) -- 22.7% chance to 2HKO
            252 SpA Suicune Hydro Pump vs. 180 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar: 306-360 (79.2 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
            0 SpA Starmie Thunderbolt vs. +1 28 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 82-98 (23.5 - 28.1%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252 SpA Life Orb Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. +1 28 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 234-276 (67.2 - 79.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            命玉电鸟其实不多，攻向电鸟的常见配置是magnet，但只要是攻向电鸟，十万伏特打在水君上就很疼
            252 SpA Rotom-Wash Thunderbolt vs. +1 28 HP / 0 SpD Suicune: 158-188 (45.4 - 54%) -- 3.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252+ Atk Breloom Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 261-307 (36.5 - 42.9%) -- 97.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252+ Atk Breloom Focus Punch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 153-181 (45.8 - 54.1%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252+ Atk Breloom Focus Punch vs. 248 HP / 228+ Def Zapdos: 110-129 (28.7 - 33.6%) -- 98.7% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252+ Atk Breloom Seed Bomb vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Rotom-Wash: 135-160 (56 - 66.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
            252 SpA Jirachi Hidden Power Ground vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Jirachi: 128-152 (37.5 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
            252 SpA Jirachi Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Starmie: 198-234 (61.1 - 72.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
            252 SpA Jirachi Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Skarmory: 158-186 (47.3 - 55.6%) -- 75% chance to 2HKO
            252 SpA Jirachi Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 135-159 (35.2 - 41.5%) -- 77.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
            0 SpA Zapdos Heat Wave vs. +1 0 HP / 4 SpD Jirachi: 116-138 (34 - 40.4%) -- 40.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

            小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
            If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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            • wyc2333
              wyc2333 最后由 wyc2333 编辑

              操作要求
              蓝蘑菇是本队唯一斗抗，可以中转一下对着火钢上来的专爱班吉拉
              围巾蜻蜓龙容易送斗笠菇机会，请注意
              自从斗笠躲过了漫漫班吉拉的大火后https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-767223791，遇到岩钉班吉拉我都拉上水君啦；对拼十万伏特海星和龙舞鲤鱼不虚，命玉三攻快龙，火钢，水布和美蛇简直强化起点；火钢死之后，遇到螳螂基本都靠水君。但是抗水果班吉拉也不少，很多队伍甚至都靠这种班吉拉和水君对拼qaq
              斗笠菇遇上大蛋别急着换上场，会被电磁波，可以先上蜻蜓龙试探，再ut另找机会
              斗笠菇遇上皮可西别急着换上场，对面电磁波或者打落都有可能
              对面的巨沼怪，专爱班吉拉（吃cb蛮力还是很伤)，常规天蝎和无冰光海星是斗笠菇控场起点
              superachi是本队救场残血卢卡的配置

              小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
              If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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              • wyc2333
                wyc2333 最后由 编辑

                replay说明
                上面已经贴了不少回放啦，这里再分享点
                https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-764078272
                这是我在smo论坛比赛的首次胜利，dpp ou global championship第一轮
                https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-777947530
                victory road活动的一局，好像pdc在熬夜？
                https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-782901116
                dpp ou global championship第三轮

                小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
                If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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                • wyc2333
                  wyc2333 最后由 wyc2333 编辑

                  完整队伍

                  智慧之神 (Azelf) @ Choice Band  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 144 Atk / 112 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- U-turn  
- Trick  
- Zen Headbutt  
- Explosion  

梦在燃烧 (Heatran) @ Shuca Berry  
Ability: Flash Fire  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Naive Nature  
- Stealth Rock  
- Fire Blast  
- Earth Power  
- Explosion  

沙场秋点兵 (Flygon) (M) @ Choice Scarf  
Ability: Levitate  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- U-turn  
- Earthquake  
- Stone Edge  
- Outrage  

水淹七军 (Suicune) @ Leftovers  
Ability: Pressure  
EVs: 28 HP / 252 SpA / 228 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA  
- Calm Mind  
- Hidden Power [Electric]  
- Ice Beam  
- Hydro Pump  

斗智祁山 (Breloom) (F) @ Toxic Orb  
Ability: Poison Heal  
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Spore  
- Substitute  
- Seed Bomb  
- Focus Punch  

千年等一回 (Jirachi) @ Leftovers  
Ability: Serene Grace  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 3 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 SpD  
- Calm Mind  
- Hidden Power [Ground]  
- Thunderbolt  
- Psychic

                  小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
                  If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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                  • wyc2333
                    wyc2333 最后由 wyc2333 编辑

                    https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-836911689
                    https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen4ou-844616659
                    新版本是把斗笠菇改成孢子蛮力种爆音速拳的配置，蓝蘑菇戏法改成冰拳，但红水都下放之后我没再试过了qaq或许可以给许愿星带电磁波/压制哈
                    这篇文章犯了经验主义的毛病，缺乏理论上的解释，我现在也解释不了

                    小时候，幸福是件很简单的事；长大后，简单是件很幸福的事。
                    If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.

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